[F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam

[Tim Allen]

Jay, sorry to disagree, but of this I am sure.  ALL minis with dry 
suspension had shocks on all four corners,  from day 1 of production, August 
1959, until the end of production September 2000.  I currently own a 1960 
850 mini, built in the first 8 months of production.  It came with shocks, 
but not much else.  Over the years my brother has owned 6 minis including a 
1959, and it had shocks.  Only the hydrolastic cars were "shockless".

Tim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Novak" <jnovak6 at wideopenwest.com>
To: <f500 at f500.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam


> The original 850 minis did have a rubber suspension but DID NOT have a
> shock.
>
> Thanks ... Jay Novak
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: f500-bounces+jnovak6=wideopenwest.com at f500.org
> [mailto:f500-bounces+jnovak6=wideopenwest.com at f500.org]On Behalf Of Tim
> Allen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: f500 at f500.org
> Subject: Re: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam
>
>
> Eric,
>
> Your memory of the mini suspension isn't accurate.  All rubber cone (dry)
> suspension minis had standard telescopic shock absorbers on all four
> corners. The rubber cone looks more like a plumbers helper that a cone. 
> The
> hydrolastic (wet) suspended minis did not use shocks, but many people 
> added
> them on the front to dampen the squishy ride(as the old BMC advertisements
> said - you really did feel like you were "Floating on Fluid).  The hydro
> bags were not connected diagonally but front to back on each side.  Many
> people that raced minis ditched the hydo set up in favor of the dry.
>
> I don't know why I felt compelled to post mini info on the F500 site other
> than I have one of each sitting in my garage.
> Incidentally, the both share the same 80" wheel base, approx 55" track and
> 10" wheels.
>
> Tim Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Fahlgren" <eric at wryday.com>
> To: <f500 at f500.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam
>
>
>> Jan Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Some of the original Mini Coopers had rubber doughnuts for suspension,
>>> also. I dont know if that was their dampeners, too? I have a friend that
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Most Minis did not have any auxiliary dampers, they just had the conical
>> rubber springs.  The Cooper S had the "hydrolastic" suspension, with a
>> fluid transfer system on top of the spring membrane, which was configured
>> in an "X" so that compression on one corner caused a corresponding 
>> lifting
>> of the diagonal corner; it probably effected quite a bit of damping
>> through
>> friction losses in the hoses (the fluid was simply 50/50
>> water/anti-freeze).
>> My mom's CS race car had some auxiliary Konis on the front when she 
>> bought
>> it as a street car, but she ditched them when she went racing as no one
>> else was running them.
>>
>> http://www.not2fast.com/mini/joan/
>>
>> Eric
>
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